Astro Foorumi

Various accounts indicate that Tibetan lay women and nuns are subject to gender-specific torture which may be more vicious than torment against men. Special "female" tortures include use of dogs, use of lighted cigarettes, stripping prisoners naked, and use of electrical batons on or in the pudenda. These tortures and other sexual indignities are not typical for men.

Reports of women being raped by electric cattle prods are numerous. Other perverse crimes, such as cutting off a woman's breasts are reportedly becoming more prevalent also. "They police forced women to run for hours while police beat them with cattle prods. Ngawang was tied with an electric cord, beaten with cattle prods, and had dogs attack her many times. For her, the worst problem was the electric cords tied around her breasts. When the electricity was applied, it made her feel like she was going to die"

Nima Tsamchoe, 19, took part in a peaceful demonstration in 1988. Now in Dharamsala, she recounts her prison life:

"Dogs were set on us while we were naked. Lit cigarette butts were stubbed on our faces, knitting needles jabbed in our mouths...kicked in the breasts and in the genitals until they were bleeding...made to hang from trees and beaten on bare flesh by electric batons. Containers of human urine were poured over heads...many were[raped]. However, even those who were raped were very secretive because they were ashamed and embarrassed...I was hung up from the wall with my legs up and beaten with electronic rods in the genitals and in the mouth. After this I could not even go to the toilet..."

Sonam Dolkar, a Tibetan woman who was detained because she was suspected of pro-independence involvement, was held in solitary confinement for 300 days without charge or trial. She was shackled throughout her detention and never allowed out of her cell. She was tortured every other day for six months. Electric wires applied to her body caused convulsions strong enough to render her unconscious. She showed her interviewer a large scar on her chest, which she indicated was caused by the boot of a guard who kicked her. She received no medical treatment until a prison doctor warned that she was close to death and then finally she was treated and the torture sessions stopped.

Particularly traumatic are the sex acts that PRC officials force nuns to perform. Torture directed towards nuns "has been even more cruel and sadistic than that of monks." Nuns who are raped are considered to have broken their vows of celibacy and often feel themselves unworthy of continuing as nuns. Ashamedly, these nuns may not return to their nunneries.

The soldiers often want nuns to 'pat' and 'touch' them; otherwise they are beaten. One escaped nun remembers the sexual violations: "The soldiers made us show our private parts and told us we were like dogs and pigs...They also forced the nuns to come out naked and prostrate themselves in front of the monks."

Gyaltsen Chodon, a nun, aged 22, was imprisoned for peacefully demonstrating. Now living in Dharamsala, she relates her experience: "They used the prods like toys, enjoying themselves especially when they applied them to our private parts. They actually laughed as they did these things. You're garbage, they said forcing us to answer to names like: pig, horse, donkey, cow

Voiko tahan lisata enaa mitaan-miksi kaytetaan nain raakaa vakivaltaa Tiibettilaisia naisia vastaan-eiko maailma voi tehda mitaan?

Jos ihmisille annetaan joissain olosuhteissa täysin vapaat kädet, ne alkavat toteuttaa estottomasti apinaesi-isiensä vaistoja. Oli kyse sitten kiinalaisista tai Yhdysvaltain sotilaista, tai vaikkapa ihan tavallisten perheiden penskoista.

Mikä on tavallaan sääli. Ihmisen aivoissa, syvällä kerroksien uumenissa, on tallennettuna uskomatonta tietoa yli 300 miljoonan vuoden ajalta, ratkaisuja maailmanluokan ongelmiin jne, mutta sivuvaikutuksena ilmenee esimerkiksi lapsellisia alistusleikkejä.

Kiduttajat ovat myös useimmiten itsekin jonkun ylemmän tahon oppressoimia joten jos on joku kohde mihin sitä purkaa, ja varsinkin rajoituksitta, niinpä niin - mikään ei estä. ???

Ei ollenkaan. Katsokaas kun minä teen tasan mitä lystään, mikäli se vain on millään todennäköisyydellä mahdollista. En edes muista milloin viimeksi olisin tehnyt jotain vain siksi että joku käski. Jos sodasta kyse, menisin jos sattuisi huvittamaan, jos ei huvittaisi, tekisin voitavani sen välttääkseni.

Kuulostaa ehkä lapselliselta vastuunpakoilulta mutta jokaisella on oikeasti varaa valita sisäinen vapautensa kun vain tajuaa olla antamatta peloille ja epäilyksille ylivaltaa. Niin monet suostuvat tekemään epätyydyttävää työtä, elämään rasittavissa suhteissa, ylläpitämään tarpeettomia, rasittavia funktioita elämässään koska pelkäävät riskinottoa ja muutoksien mahdollisia seurauksia.

Hankkiuduin kaikesta tuollaisesta eroon ja asustelen suolla slummissa ilman pysyviä osoitteita tai yhteyksiä, tyytyväisempänä kuin koskaan. :)

Niin, yleensa nama kiduttajat ovat juuri "parempiosaisia" ja ilman tunnontuskia raakatakseen heikompia ja juuri kayttaen sadistia keinoja-mutta miten voimme estaa tulevaisuudessa kaiken taman?
Tassa tapauksessa juuri Kiinan hallintosysteemi peittaa ulkomaailmalta tietysti nama kidutukset, mutta ilmeisesti kuitenkin on paljastanut pienia osia naista rikoksista ja kuinka paljon on sita viela koko maailmassa tietamattamme????????
Ehka Ahtisaaren korviin tulee tietoa jotain kautta-ainakin niin toivon(hanhan on valittu hoitamaan Kiinan ja Tiibetin asiaa)

 :'( Välillä sydän itkee maailman julmuuden vuoksi.  :'(

Niin paha olla tuota lukiessa.  :-[
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