Otsikko: 1. marraskuuta 1562 Kirjoitti: sideman - 07.06.2009 00:03:47 Kukahan *miespuolinen* "julkkis" voisi olla syntynyt 1. marraskuuta 1562? ??? Otsikko: Vs: 1. marraskuuta 1562 Kirjoitti: LYV - 07.06.2009 01:56:24 Joku Henry Scott näköjään. ??? Tämä kyllä ehkä 1560, mutta yksi sivu ehdotti 1562.
Ja sit viel joku John Fosten Foster. (Saattaa olla virheellistä tietoa) Otsikko: Vs: 1. marraskuuta 1562 Kirjoitti: LYV - 07.06.2009 02:21:50 Sitten olisi vielä:
# Name: Count Antoine of Guise # Sex: M # Birth: 1 NOV 1562 Otsikko: Vs: 1. marraskuuta 1562 Kirjoitti: meruska - 07.06.2009 14:28:21 Miksi ihmeessä sivumiästä tommoinen päivänmäärä kiinnostaa?
Otsikko: Vs: 1. marraskuuta 1562 Kirjoitti: sideman - 09.06.2009 22:43:47 Miksi ihmeessä sivumiästä tommoinen päivänmäärä kiinnostaa? Eräällä jenkkiläisellä funtsareiden listalla muuan "anti-TMer" haastoi TM'n harrastajat, jotka tyypillisesti diggaavat jyotishasta eli intialaisesta sideerisestä astrologiasta, esittämään arvionsa ko. henkilöstä astrologisen datan perusteella. Hän oli ilmeisesti sitä mieltä, että länsimainen trooppinen, ulkoplaneetat huomioon ottavat astrologian suuntaus pystyy paremmin kuvaamaan tuota tyyppiä. Hän kertoi ao. natiivin henkilöllisyyden jonkin aikaa sen jälkeen kun kirjoitin tämän ketjun avausviestin. Hän totesi samalla, että henkilö, joka tuntee äärimmäisen hyvin tuon natiivin, oli miltei pudota pallilta, kun hän kuuli brittiläisen astrologin kuvauksen ao. tyypistä. Tuo "tuntija" ei itse kovin paljon digannut astrologiasta, mutta halusi uteluuttaan pistää sen testiin. Mainittu tyyppi on itse asiassa romaanihenkilö, jonka on luonut kuuluisa brittiläinen historiallisten romaanien kirjoittaja (olikohan hän jokin Dunham, tjsp?). Anti-TMer totesi, että meitsin muutama luonnehdinta romaanihenkilöstä (jonka en silloin vielä tiennyt olevan sellainen) osui melko lailla nappiin. Otsikko: Vs: 1. marraskuuta 1562 Kirjoitti: sideman - 09.06.2009 23:20:53 Miksi ihmeessä sivumiästä tommoinen päivänmäärä kiinnostaa? Mainittu tyyppi on itse asiassa romaanihenkilö, jonka on luonut kuuluisa brittiläinen historiallisten romaanien kirjoittaja (olikohan hän jokin Dunham, tjsp?). Eikun Dunnett: The Astrology Test OK, there *was* a bit of a "cheat" in this test. But only a bit of one. The person whose birth data was given was the subject of a six-volume series of books by the person I consider the greatest writer of the English language in the 20th century. He was fictional. *However*, Francis Crawford, Earl of Lymond was also one of the most meticulously imagined and researched characters in the history of literature. His creator was Dorothy Dunnett, considered by many the greatest writer in Scottish history. You probably have never heard of her, other than in mentions of her by me on this forum. The reason is that she wrote historical fiction, which is not everyone's cuppa tea. But Dorothy wrote historical fiction with a precision and with a level of "due diligence" that most historians have never achieved. Dorothy never "fudged" anything having to do with the periods of time and the characters -- both real and imagined -- she wrote about. She would typically spend a minimum of a year researching the place and the time she was to write about, reading literally hundreds of books about it, going there personally to get the "vibe" of the place and its people, thoroughly immersing herself in the place and the time, and then starting to write. She wrote about Lymond for 15 years, in a six- volume set of novels known as The Lymond Chronicles. If anyone on earth can be said to have had a real existence, it is someone who has thus been focused on by a great writer so intently, and for so long. Astrology plays a great part in the novels, because it played a great part in the times of which Dorothy was writing. As a result, Dorothy imagined and docu- mented his original birth date and time, and was aware of many of the *general* things that the astrology of the times would have said about a man born at that time and place. Nonetheless, she was not a believer in astrology herself; she merely "did the work" to make sure that every word she wrote about that time period "rang true." Decades later, she grew curious and, as I said when introducing this little "test," she commissioned a well-known British astrologer to cast a horoscope for Lymond, giving her nothing but the birth data. The result was the chart I posted, plus the following description: "The chart displays the tremendous strength and emotional powers of Scorpio underneath the characteristics of Gemini and Libra, producing an outer personality which is mercurial, fickle, adaptable, quick and original in its habit. The presence of Jupiter adds a philosophic depth, and that of Venus means a leaning towards feminine things and an understanding of them, as well as an unusual success with women. Mars in the fourth House adds an element of violence and even crudity, and together with the other factors implies conflict in the home. The fifth House indicates a quick-minded facility with, beneath it, great strength and sense of purpose. Neptune in the 9th House and Uranus in the 12th in association with the rest, indicate important and unusual events happening overseas. Neptune, the watery sign, can also mean renunciation. Saturn in the 10th House has to do with raising up and casting down in despair, and the 12th House implies self-sacrifice and even self-destruction, together with prisons, hospitals and all that is confining. On the other hand, Jupiter in the ascendant can also mean great good luck. "A strong, powerful and vigorous chart, overlaid by an original and decorative outer personality." Dorothy was shocked beyond words. This fairly accurately describes the man she spent 15 years writing about. Francis Crawford, Earl of Lymond first enters our awareness in the opening book of The Lymond Chronicles, "The Game Of Kings," introduced by the words, "Drama entered, mincing like a cat." If you want to see how accurate the astrologer's interpretation of Lymond's chart really was, read The Lymond Chronicles. It would make the perfect summer reading for someone who loves words and loves great writing. If you can make it through the first 50 pages (and many cannot), I warn you...you may become "hooked," and be able to read nothing else until you have finished the entire series. And then -- worse -- your first impulse upon finishing it will be to start at the beginning and read it again. I have read The Lymond Chronicles five times now, all 3066 pages of it. I just started re-reading it again. It will be my "beach reading" again this summer. If you find in Lady Dunnett (she was married to Lord Alistair Dunnett, the real-life model for Ian Fleming's James Bond) the magic I do, it may become your summer reading as well. This year, and many years in the future. |